Flood Vehicle: advice needed

Busterbrown

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Need some advice as what to do with our 2013 Chrysler Town and Country Minivan. Two weeks ago today, most of the Detroit metro area experienced turrential rains and flash floods, wiping out thousands of cars in a matter minutes. My wife was unfortunately in our minivan at the time in which the run off flooded the residential street she was on. Suffice it to say, the vehicle stalled in about 1.5 ft of water allowing about 1 inch of water into the front passenger compartment. Her shoes were wet but the water line stayed way below the seats only pooling around the front drivers and passengers feet area. 2nd and 3rd rows stayed completely dry.

2 hours later, (by the time I arrived there), the water completely receded from the roadway. Carpeting was soaked but only upfront. Upon turning the ignition key, dash lights lit up as normal but the starter never engaged. All I heard was a click. All doors and HVAC controls worked for the brief moment I turned the ignition key to the on position. Radio worked. Headlights illuminated. Mechanically, oil dip stick was at normal levels and looked like the new oil I just put in several weeks earlier. Transfluid was red and at normal levels. No signs of water penatration into the intake. Air filter is dry. Water line was right below the battery box.

Here is my dilemma. My comprehensive claim has already salvaged the vehicle. It now sits at a local auction center. We're about break even on the market value and loan value. Bank has been paid. I am to meet my insurance adjuster tomorrow to sign over the secured interest title and settlement offer. I have the opportunity to buy the vehicle back at salvage value tomorrow while I'm there. Van's market take would be about $25,500. Adjuster says most salvage value would be 30-40% of that.

Is it worth pursuing? Replacing carpeting and jute padding is the first obvious. Second would be to troubleshoot ignition issues. I do know there is a constant drain on the battery as I towed the vehicle back to my house before the insurance took possession of it. I charged it briefly with jumper cables and cabin/dash/headlights worked. After the 30 minute charge, the battery was dead again in about 2 hours.

This minivan is showroom new being a 1 year old vehicle. I know it will go to auction if I don't and someone will capitalize on it. I've just never purchased a total loss vehicle before. What costs would I be looking at if I did purchase it? New ECM? Is it just a blown fuse or circuit? How about just a starter solenoid? My main objective would be to drive it for a while (maybe a year) and sell it as a repaired salvage title.

My wife is against the idea. Thinks it's risky and we could loose thousands. I've never threw in the towel in fear of a challenge. I can't imagine $10,000 of repair and labor costs.

Any comments are greatly appreciated.
 
Are you guys able to license salvaged vehicles? I don't think I would want to take on that challenge unless I already knew what was putting the drain on the battery at this point.
 
I'd be curious why it stalled (water intake to the engine somehow, minor electrical like waterlogged and cooked starter, or major like computer failure) and what electrical is screwed up. Could be risky.

Here's the thing... You don't know what it could end up costing you. 1.5 feet of water doesn't sound that terrible especially since it didn't get that far into the passenger compartment, but with the number of electrical gizmos and wiring under that carpet and down low I'd be really concerned.

If it was salt water I'd never want it since it would turn into a huge issue and rust out from places you didn't know a vehicle could real fast, but fresh water makes me a bit unsure. Too bad you couldn't go over it and look at it before committing to buying it.
 
djthumper said:
Are you guys able to license salvaged vehicles? I don't think I would want to take on that challenge unless I already knew what was putting the drain on the battery at this point.
Michigan law requires a salvage title to be place on any flood vehicle...no matter the extent of damage. I would bring my copy of the settlement paperwork to my local DMV in which they would issue a Salvage title to me. My insurer owns the vehicle now. The adjuster told me today that I could buy it before it went to auction at salvage value. I will know what the exact number will be in the morning.

The battery drain could be anything...I understand that. But could a reputable auto repair shop diagnose the problems within an honest financial budget? It seems as if 1 out of every 4 cars in Detroit's used craigslist market are salvaged titled. Its big business around here.
 
Sparky said:
If it was salt water I'd never want it since it would turn into a huge issue and rust out from places you didn't know a vehicle could real fast, but fresh water makes me a bit unsure. Too bad you couldn't go over it and look at it before committing to buying it.
No salt water, just Michigan run off from residential streets. Otherwise I wouldn't bother. I do have another opportunity to look at it tomorrow. Bringing my jumper cables too. Would be something if it started after drying out for 2 weeks.

Just found complete new carpet set for this van priced at $428.
 
Did it crank after the 30 min charge or just click?
 
The question I would have to ask is, are you going to drive it after you salvage it, or are you looking at a money making opportunity?

My only suggestion is that I would probably never, nor do I personally know anyone that, would buy a salvaged titled vehicle.

I say probably, because you never know. I mean if I'm buying a work truck, or some other non daily driver and I'm getting a sweet deal, ok maybe.

But if I'm toting the fam around in my daily driver, I am shying away from anything salvaged. Not that there is anything wrong with it, or anything like that, its just personal preference.

Say i'm in the market for a T&C, and I run across one that has low miles, pretty new, but is priced way less than most T&C I have seen with similar stats. I run the VIN and see salvaged title. I'm not calling you. Even if I do, and you tell me just a little water in the front, how do I really know if it was that or under lake I-75 that day?

Now if I'm saving that 30-40%, it might give me pause to think about it. But for just a couple G's, i'm looking elsewhere. Not everyone is me though, I'm just giving you the look through the eyes of a recent used car buyer.

Edit: my apologies for missing the part where you said you would drive it for a year or so. I'll leave my thoughts above anyways. I guess my point is, I wouldn't plan on making any money off it. Seems to much risk to take on.
 
I would buy a salvage title vehicle, if it was a hit and repaired, for a cheap daily driver, but not a real nice vehicle or a flood one.
 
I just spoke with the adjuster and he stated $7500 as cash value. This is lower than I expected. I'm driving out there now to inspect it.
 
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I'd guess the ignition needs replaced :raspberry:

Actually, start with the fuses. Hard to believe it would be a huge or expensive item.
 
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Since you know first hand how much water and for how long. You have a lot more info than bidders at an auction would have. That alone makes the risk alot less then if you didn't know. Still some risk, but very tempting. Good luck. ~BOB
 
Maybe the reason the starter won't work is that they are typically located low and was probably under water so maybe it just needs a starter. And the battery drain, it too could have been submerged and contaminated with water so a new battery is probably in order.

Knowing how high the water was and what was affected is a definite advantage.
 
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Mounce said:
How'd the inspection go, Buster? If it were me, I'd buy it back and fix it. :yes:
Well, not good news. When I arrived on site, they had so many flood vehicles that they moved about 500-1000 cars to an ancillary lot along with mine. Packed in like sardines, I was barely able to get into the minivan. First thing I did was pull the intake housing off and look into throttle body. What did I see, lots of moisture. The auction house handling the sale of all the thousands of flood vehicles had already prepped and cleand the van. They power washed the engine and then coated everything with armor all. Interior was wet vac'd and bags of moisture absorbing crystals placed over the sunvisors and rear view mirror.

So my concern was the water in the intake. I don't remember it being there when the day after the flood when we had the vehicle towed back to my home. Also, the air filter was wet in the air box; again I'm almost absolutely positive this was dry when I inspected it at home. Either I missed the moisture big time on my first inspection, or they power washed water directly into the intake. The air box sits against the passenger firewall and the air bellow that feeds it drops down against the passenger wheel well. Lastly, the air box was unlatched and cracked open upon my arrival on there lot. I'm assuming during the inspection process, the adjuster opened up the intake to see about moisture penetration.

The oil still looks clean just higher on the dip stick than I remember. No change in the trans fluid.

I came equipped with an ignition relay, maxifuse, and starter assembly. But after seeing the moisture in the intake, I'm NOT 100% positive that the van did NOT stall due to water into the intake. The retards that power washed the engine (I'm certain) caused the water intrusion. But again, not 100%.

Van was still inoperable. Putting a charge to it, dash lights, HVAC, radio, and interior lights all came on. That same one audible "click" upon turning the ignition key was all that I heard.

So long story short, my wife and I decided to mitigate the risk and move forward with the cash equity settlement.

To see your showroom clean vehicle sitting in the middle of a dirt field with hundreds of other flood cars is very disheartening considering how much water did her in. Since they allowed us to drive the lot, I took mental note of all the late model Beemers, Mercedes, Challengers, even GMT's that were destroyed. I guess I can't really complain.
 
NJTB said:
Are you sure no water got into the engine? Click may be because it's hydro locked.
I was thinking the same thing. Can't compress water!
 
Too bad you cant pop out the plugs and try to crank it over.
 
idk how much work they'll let you do to the thing. if you can pull the spark plugs and see if water comes out. next get a 24" breaker bar and a socket big enough for the crank bolt, and try and rotate the engine though 360deg. If it feels seized then stay away.
 
jimmyjam said:
idk how much work they'll let you do to the thing. if you can pull the spark plugs and see if water comes out. next get a 24" breaker bar and a socket big enough for the crank bolt, and try and rotate the engine though 360deg. If it feels seized then stay away.
Even if it needed a new engine it would be worth it.
 
I would hate to be the Roadie of the Chrysler Minivan forum where you hung out full-time over the next year trying to resurrect this lemon. :eek:

Auction house looks like professional scumbags trying to fool everybody with cosmetic polishing of the turds. :hissyfit:
 

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